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U.S. National Archives UAP Records

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Subject: $ \underline{\text{INFORMATION}} $: Transcription concerning the incident involving Japan Airlines Flight 1628 on November 18, 1986 at approximately 0218 UTC. Date: January 9, 1987

From: Quentin J. Gates

Air Traffic Manager,

ANC ARTCC

This transcription covers the time period from November 18, 1986, 0214 UTC to November 18, 1986, 0259 UTC.

Agencies Making TransmissionsAbbreviations
Japan Airlines Flight 1628JL1628
Anchorage ARTCC Combined Sector R/D15R/D15
Anchorage ARTCC Sector D15D15
Anchorage ARTCC Sector R15R15
Regional Operations Command CenterROCC
United Airlines Flight 69UA69
TOTEM71TOTEM
Fairbanks Approach ControlAPCH

I hereby certify that the following is a true transcription of the recorded conversations pertaining to the subject incident:

Anthony M. Wylie

Quality Assurance Specialist

Anchorage ARTCC


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(0216)
(0217)
(0218)
(0219)
0219:15JL1628Anchorage Center Japan Air sixteen twenty eight ah do you have any traffic ah seven o'clock above
0219:24R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy say again
0219:28JL1628Ah do you have any traffic in front of us
0219:32R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy negative
0219:36JL1628Ah Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger and ah we insight ah two traffic ah in front of us one mile about
0219:49R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger do you have ah can you identify the aircraft
0219:58JL1628Ah we are not sure but ah we have traffic in sight now
0220:04R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy roger maintain visual contact with your traffic and ah can you say the altitude of the traffic
0220:14JL1628Um at the same altitude sixteen twenty eight
0220:21R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger would you like higher or lower altitude

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0222:36JL1628Just ah now (unintelligible)
0222:41R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight your garbled change to frequency one three three point one
0222:46JL1628Ah confirm one three three one
0222:48R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy affirmative
0222:52JL1628Thank you
0222:55JL1628Anchorage Center Japan Air sixteen twenty eight flight level three five zero
0223:00R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy Roger and Do you have clouds above you or below you
0223:05JL1628below - below us Japan Air sixteen twenty eight
0223:10R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight Roger
0223:13JL1628And now the target ah traffic is ah extinguished ah we cannot see now
0223:19R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight Roger and I'm not receiving any radar replies
0223:26JL1628Ah negative
0223:35ROCCOne dash two go ahead
0223:37R/D15Ya could you look ah approximately forty miles south of Fort Yukon there should be a code up there of one five five zero can you tell me you see a primary target about his position

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0219:15JL1628Anchorage Center Japan Air sixteen twenty eight ah do you have any traffic ah seven o'clock above
0219:24R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy say again
0219:28JL1628Ah do you have any traffic in front of us
0219:32R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy negative
0219:36JL1628Ah Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger and ah we insight ah two traffic ah in front of us one mile about
0219:49R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger do you have ah can you identify the aircraft
0219:58JL1628Ah we are not sure but ah we have traffic in sight now
0220:04R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy roger maintain visual contact with your traffic and ah can you say the altitude of the traffic
0220:14JL1628Um at the same altitude sixteen twenty eight
0220:21R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger would you like higher or lower altitude

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0223:51ROCCOkay stand-by -- I'm going to expand out -- just a moment here -- one five five zero squawk huh
(0224)
0224:09R/D15Affirmative
0224:11ROCCLet me take a look here
0224:13R/D15High altitude thirty five thousand
0224:14ROCCOkay let me switch over to my other scope here
0224:17JL1628Japan Air sixteen twenty eight
0224:19R/D15Alright I'll see what ah I'll call you right back
0224:21ROCCOkay R-F
0224:50R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight do you still have ah visual contact with the ah traffic
0224:53JL1628Affirmative ah so we radar contact ah (unintelligible)
0225:02R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy roger sir I'm picking up a ah hit on the radar approximately five miles in trail of your six o'clock position do you concur
0225:12JL1628Ah negative ah eleven o'clock ah eight miles ah same level over
0225:18R/D15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy roger

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0225:37ROCCOne dash two's on
0225:39R/D15Ya ah did you get another ah target up there by that one five five zero code
0225:43ROCCOkay I've got your squawk it looks like I am getting some surge primary return ah I don't know if it's erroneous or whatever but
0225:50R/D15Negative uhuh it's not erroneous I want you to keep a good track on there and if you pick up a code and verify that you do not have any aircraft operating in that area military
0225:57ROCCThat is affirm we do not have anybody up there right now ah can you give me the position of the primary your receiving
0226:03R/D15Okay I'm not I'm ah picking up a primary approximately five zero miles south right up there right in front of the ah one five five zero code
0226:13ROCCOkay I've got him his about
0226:15R/D15Eight miles in front of the one five five zero code he's got traffic at the same altitude three five oh
0226:18ROCCOkay I've got him about his ah oh it looks like about ah ten o'clock at about that range yes
0226:25R/D15Alright keep an eye on that and ah see if ah any other military (unintelligible) in that area
0226:33ROCCOkay ah we'll look around here see what we can find out

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0227ROCCOne dash two
0227:43R/D15Ya ah reference that ah (unintelligible)
0227:45R/D15Okay
0227:48ROCCOkay
0227:49R/D15That is unknown to us
0227:50ROCCIt is what
0227:52R/D15It is ah unknown to us
0227:53ROCCIt is an unknown okay we've lost contact with it now
0227:58R/D15Okay were not working that aircraft (unintelligible)
0228:04ROCCOkay I - I'm still not I we lost contact on him now I don't see him at all
0228:09R/D15Okay
0228:10ROCCOkay R-F
(0229)
(0230)
0230:16JL1628(unintelligible)
0230:20R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy you're coming

0230:20 R15

Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy you're coming

in broken say again


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0230:23JL1628Request ah deviate ah ah from ah from object request heading two four zero
0230:31R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger fly heading two four zero -- -- Japan Air sixteen twenty eight ah heavy deviations approved as necessary for traffic
0230:49JL1628It's ah quite big
0230:52R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy you're still broken say again
0230:56JL1628It's ah I think ah very quite big ah plane
(0231)
0231:27R15Approach sector fif -- approach fifteen request
0231:36APCHGo ahead
0231:40R15Let's see one two miles southeast of the Alpha (unintelligible) you'll see a code of one five five zero at flight level three five zero
0231:47APCHYa
0231:48R15Are you pickin up a primary target right with that aircraft
0231:51APCHYou mean aside from the aircraft itself
0231:53R15Ya ya other than that one are you pickin up a ah it a be primary ah he's probably not squawking a code
0231:58APCHAh no it's the only target I see there

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0232:00R15Okay if you see a primary watch that fifteen fifty code if you have time
0232:03APCHYa
0232:04R15If you see a primary with it keep your eye on it and he should be at three five oh also
0232:05APCHAlright very good we're watching
0232:07JL1628Japan Air sixteen twenty eight ah request descent
0232:20JL1628Japan Air sixteen twenty eight request three one zero
0232:25R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy understand requesting flight level three one zero
0232:34R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy your transmissions are broken say again
0232:39JL1628Flight level three one zero
0232:41R15Japan Air sixteen one er correction sixteen twenty eight heavy descend at pilot discretion maintain flight level three one zero
0232:45JL1628Leaving three five zero to three one zero
0232:58R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy do you still have your traffic
0233:00JL1628Still ah coming ah ah right formation in ah formation
0233:07R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight understand

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(0234)

0234:38R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy say position of your traffic
0234:42JL1628Affirmative west of ah Fairbanks
0234:52R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy understand your traffic is over Fairbanks at this time
0234:56JL1628Affirmative -- ah request heading two one zero
0235:02R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy roger deviations approved as necessary for traffic
0235:15R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight say altitude of your traffic
0235:20JL1628Ah ou ah sa ah same level
0235:24D15Approach center on the sixty one line
0235:27APCHApproach
0235:28D15Have you got a second
0235:29APCHSure go ahead
0235:30D15Look at your radar We got a Japan Air one six two eight ah he's deviating he's about ah five miles north of Fairbanks V-O-R squawking one five five zero

0235:38 APCH Uh huh


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0235:39D15Do you have any traffic with him he sees traffic he was deviating
0235:42R15I already asked approach
0235:43D15Oh he's already asked you I guess huh
0235:44APCHAh - ya no we don't I don't see anything there aside from his ah his target
0235:49D15Okay thank you S-R
0235:50APCHUnintelligible
(0236)
0236:12JL1628Ah Anchorage Center Japan Air one six two eight request direct ah Talkeetna
0236:18R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy cleared direct Talkeetna and in ah advise me of your position of your traffic
0236:24JL1628Ah same po same position
0236:37R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy ah sir I'm gonna request you to make a right turn three six zero degrees three hundred and sixty degree turn and advise me what your traffic does then
0236:47JL1628Right turn three sixty
(0237)
0237:12D15Anchorage Center

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0237:13ROCCYa one dash two are you still working the one five five zero squawk
0237:18D15One five ah
0237:19ROCCYa he's the one that had somebody in front of him level
0237:21D15Yes
0237:23ROCCOkay we have no we have confirmed we have no military aircraft working up there
0237:25D15Okay thank you very much
0237:27ROCCDoes he still have tally on the aircraft out there
0237:29D15You have no traffic at all
0237:30ROCCThat's correct does he still have somebody visual
0237:32D15He says he does
0237:33ROCCOh okay thank you
0237:55R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy sir does your traffic appear to be staying with you
0238:00JL1628(unintelligible) just looking
0238:54R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight sir do you still have the traffic
0238:57JL1628Ah (unintelligible) distinguished

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0239:01R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight say again
0239:04JL1628It ah disappeared Japan Air sixteen twenty eight
0239:57D15Anchorage Center
0239:58ROCCYa this is one dash two again on some other equipment here we have confirmed there is a flight size of two around your one five five zero squawk one primary return only
0240:05D15Okay where is is he following him
0240:07ROCCIt looks like he is yes
0240:10R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy roger at your discretion proceed direct Talkeetna Jay one two five Anchorage
0240:15JL1628(unintelligible)
0240:23R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger sir the military radar advises they do have a primary target in trail of you at this time
0240:24D15Okay do you have anybody you can scramble up there
0240:30ROCCI'll tell you what we're gonna talk to your liasion sir about that
0240:32JL1628Ah say again Japan Air sixteen twenty eight
0240:35R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy military radar advises they are picking up intermittent primary target behind you in-trail in-trail I say again
0240:47JL1628(unintelligible)

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0240:46ROCCWhere is this search return at right behind him or where
0240:50D15Say again
0240:51ROCCAh I'm gonna talk to my other radar man here has gotta he's got some other equipment watching this aircraft
0240:54D15Okay
0240:55ROCCOkay we're gonna call the military desk on this
0240:57D15Okay thank you
0240:58ROCCOkay R-F
(There was an overlap of transmissions during this time frame)
0240:10R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight Anchorage request
0240:12JL1628Go ahead
0240:13R15Roger sir would you like our military to scramble on the traffic
0240:17JL1628Negative negative
0240:26R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy sir we do have military ah at Elison forty miles away I can put em up and let em check the traffic for you
0240:34JL1628Roger
0240:35R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight Roger would you like us to do that

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0240:44TOTEMAnchorage Center you have Totem seven one up here ah we might be able to get close to him
0240:48R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight you were broken say again
0240:55JL1628Ah say again Japan Air sixteen twenty eight
0240:59R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight your transmission was broken sir we do have military aircraft in your vicinity that we can ah check on the ah traffic with you
(0241)
0241:07JL1628Ah (unintelligible) sixteen twenty eight no radar traffic above
0241:49ROCCOne two's on
0241:51D15Roger where's that ah are you still painting a primary ah by that Japan Airlines flight squawking fifteen fifty
0241:56ROCCOkay let me look at my other
0241:59D15Can you tell where's the position of it
0242:00ROCCOkay standby
0242:04JL1628Anchorage Center Japan Air sixteen twenty eight confirm direct to Talkeetna three one zero
0242:09R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy affirmative direct Talkeetna and descend at pilot's discretion maintain flight level two five zero

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0242:16JL1628Ah pilot's discretion two five zero Japan Air sixteen twenty eight
0242:24ROCCIt looks like he he ah offset left and then possibly fell back in-trail however I can't see him now I can't pick him out
0242:29D15Okay thank you very much S-R
0242:31ROCCR-F
0242:35JL1628Ah we have - Anchorage Center Japan Air one six two eight ah we have in sight same position over
0242:42R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight understand in sight in same position
(0243)(0244).
0244:07R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight sir do you still have the traffic
0244:12JL1628Ah say again please
0244:13R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy do you still have the traffic
0244:17JL1628Ah affirmative ah nine o'clock ah ah
0244:39R15United sixty nine Anchorage request
0244:41UA69Ah go ahead United sixty nine heavy

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0244:43R15United sixty nine heavy sir I've got a Japan Air seven forty seven presently in your eleven o'clock position and one hundred and one correction one one zero miles and he has traffic (unintelligible) I'll keep you advised ah when you're closer to him I want you to see if you see anything with him
0245:04UA69Okay fine ah we'll look for ya
0245:10R15United sixty nine heavy sir if you can I would like to identify the ah type of aircraft when you go by him
0245:16UA69Okay you got some background ah noise so you you want us to identify the trailing aircraft if we can
0245:24R15United sixty nine heavy affirmative
0245:46UA69Say again the location of the traffic for United sixty nine
0245:49R15United sixty nine heavy in your eleven o'clock position one zero zero miles southbound is a Japan Air seven forty seven he is at flight level three one zero says he has traffic at his nine o'clock position same altitude
0246:06UA69We'll be looking that's ah ah can't see anything yet
0246:12R15Roger sir he's ah way up to ah to the north of you with your concurrence I'm gonna put you on a vector and take you ah closer to him ah so when you pass you'll be within five miles of each other
0246:22UA69Okay you're uh something wrong with your transmitter or something but ah I think your talking to United sixty nine

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0246:34R15United sixty nine heavy that is affirmative sir I'm gonna take you on a vector closer to the Japan Air he'll still be at flight level three one zero and I'm gonna keep you at flight level two nine zero as long as you can stay up with your approval
0246:46UA69That'll be fine
0246:48R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy maintain flight level three one zero
0246:54JL1628Japan Air one six two eight (unintelligible) maintain three one zero
0246:59R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight roger I'm gonna have a United aircraft get close to you and take a look ah to see if he can identify your traffic
0247:06JL1628Thank you
0247:09R15United sixty nine heavy turn ten degrees left radar vectors ah to see traffic
0247:10UA69Left United sixty nine
(0248)
0248:11UA69Ah say again the traffic (unintelligible)
0248:13R15Aircraft calling Anchorage Center with traffic say again
0248:16UA69United sixty nine can you point the traffic out again please
0248:19R15United sixty nine heavy affirmative the ah Japan Air is in your eleven o'clock position and five zero miles southbound

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0248:28UA69Ah roger thank you
0248:31R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy say the position of your traffic
0248:34JL1628Ah now ah ah moving to ah around ten mile now ah ah position ah seven ah eight o'clock ten mile
0248:52R15Japan Air sixteen seventy eight heavy roger
(0249)
0249:32UA69Ask that Japan Airliner to ah turn on his lights and turn it off for United sixty nine would ya
0249:39R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy ah flash your ah landing lights on and off please
0249:45JL1628Do now Japan Air sixteen twenty eight
0249:47UA69Okay we've got the ah Japan Airlines airplane this is United sixty nine
0249:52R15United sixty nine heavy roger the Japan Air says the traffic is in his seven to eight o'clock position and one zero miles in-trail
0250:00UA69Okay we're looking
0250:05UA69Why don't you get us a little closer
0250:07R15United sixty nine heavy roger another additional ten degrees left
0250:14UA69Roger United sixty nine

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0250:35UA69United sixty nine heavy we've got the Japan Airliner insight I don't see anybody around him ah he's at his seven to eight o'clock position huh
0250:46R15United sixty nine that's what he says Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy say the position of your traffic now
0250:52JL1628Ah now distinguishing but ah ah your I guess ah twelve o'clock below ah you over
(0251)
0251:02R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy say again you're broken
0251:06JL1628Just ahead of ah United ah (unintelligible)
0251:32UA69Ah Center from United ah sixty nine ah the ah Japan Airliner is silhouetted against a ah light sky I don't see anybody around him at all I can see his contrail but I sure don't see any other airplanes do you see him
0251:49R15United sixty nine heavy ah negative sir we got just a very few primary hits on the ah target and then ah we really haven't got a good track on him ever
(0252)
0252:03UA69Yeah we'd like to start down now United sixty nine
0252:05R15United sixty nine heavy cleared direct Fairbanks descend at pilot discretion maintain one zero thousand Fairbanks altimeter three zero two two
0252:12UA69Down to one zero thousand direct to Fairbanks United sixty nine

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0252:18R15And United sixty nine heavy I thank you for your help
0252:28R15Totem seven one contact Anchorage Center one one eight point two
0252:31TOTEMIf you want we've got extra gas we could bop up another five or six thousand feet and turn around
0252:36R15Totem seven one ah roger sir if you'd like ah standby - - - Totem seven one turn ah right heading two five correction turn right heading two seven zero radar vectors to intercept
0252:55TOTEMTwo seven zero you want us to go up five or six thousand
(0253)
0253:10R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy descend at pilot discretion maintain flight level two five zero
0253:13JL1628Japan Air sixteen twenty eight ah pilot's discretion maintain ah ah two five zero so ah ah I cannot I couldn't see ah U-F-O over
0253:27R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy understand you do not see the traffic any longer
0253:31JL1628Affirmative
0253:33R15Roger sir I've got a military C one ah thirty that's gonna go over and take a look at it
0253:53R15Totem seven one sir the military seven forty seven on completion of your turn will be in your two o'clock position three zero miles southbound at ah flight level three one zero

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(0254)
0254:04TOTEMOkay sir we're searching this time we think we have him
0254:09R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy flash your landing lights please
0254:32TOTEMAnd Center Totem seven one would like to climb to two four zero
0254:34R15Totem seven one climb and maintain flight level two four zero
0254:37TOTEMOut of two one zero for two four zero Totem seven one
(0255)
0255:18R15Totem seven one the seven forty seven is now two o'clock one five miles southbound three one zero
0255:25TOTEMAh yes sir we've got him insight
0255:27R15Totem seven one understand you do have him insight
0255:31TOTEM(unintelligible)
0255:35R15Totem seven one do you see any traffic in his vicinity
0255:38TOTEMNot flashing any lights at this time sir
0255:58R15Totem seven one deviations approved as ah necessary to ah take a look

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(0256)
0256:02TOTEMOkay sir Totem seven one wilco
0256:04R15And Totem seven one sir after your ah the seven forty seven goes by you ah your discretion direct Eilson
0256:10TOTEMOkay that would be Elmendorf sir but ah understand direct
0256:13R15Totem seven one that's my correction sir be direct Elmendorf your discretion
0256:17TOTEMRoger sir
0256:22JL1628Anchorage Center Japan Air one six two eight leaving ah three one zero for ah two five zero now
0256:28R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy roger and traffic in your eleven o'clock ah correction your ten o'clock position five miles westbound is a military C one thirty flight level two four zero
0256:40JL1628Roger
(0257)
0257:13R15Japan Air sixteen twenty eight heavy contact Anchorage Center one one eight point two
0257:18JL1628Eight point two good day
(0258)
(0259)

End of Transcript


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UTCUniversal Time Coordinated. (Used to be Greenwich Time, Zulu)
NORADNorth American Defense Air Command
FSD0-63FAA Flight Standards District Office, Anchorage/S.C. Area
POTATIntersection location name on airway map. (Northwest of Fort Yukon.
J529Airway route
INSInternal Navigation System
ARTCC(Anchorage) Air Route Traffic Control Center (Enroute traffic)
PVDPlan View Display (Radar Screen)
ROCCRegional Operations Command Center (Military, AF)
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